Just wondering.......it was a pretty miserable place........especially a small town that starts with a G...............
Mrs. Peck
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Anyone here ever live in Southern Oregon?
by Mrs. Peck injust wondering.......it was a pretty miserable place........especially a small town that starts with a g................
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Why You Loyal Witnesses Should Oppose Disfellowshipping
by metatron inone night you are driving down a dark road.
another car swerves into your lane and hits you head on.
you wake up days later and discover you are paralyzed.
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Mrs. Peck
Well, I see I stirred up some controversy.....LOL......I see all points presented here, and I do agree that DFing has been abused as I was a member of a congregation in Oregon that was less than desirable, to say the least. I have been inactive for about 10 years now and during this time I have had the opportunity to visit different congregations in California, where I now reside. My finding is that I think there are some bad congo's out there that refuse to follow the Society's guidelines and follow their own version. But, people being people have to screw things up just because. I believe that for the most part the Witnesses have the truth. I too have my own issues that I am trying to sort out with the the JWs. Even though I have been a victim of dysfunctional Witnesses, I still try to keep some things in perspective I guess. The stories I could tell you would take me weeks.........So yes, I see what is being stated. I was just trying to say that sometimes there are people that would continue bad behavior without some sort of sanctioning....and those who play the system, I have seen that too. I guess there are a million and one ways that we can view these issues.
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Why You Loyal Witnesses Should Oppose Disfellowshipping
by metatron inone night you are driving down a dark road.
another car swerves into your lane and hits you head on.
you wake up days later and discover you are paralyzed.
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Mrs. Peck
Hey Vampire.....LOL I like the toast thing...pretty good. I totally agree with you...I too have seen this first hand. My point is that I have never seen anything in writing or the spoken word that states we are not to help DF'd people who are in need, although I am sure there are the A-holes out there that would refuse. But I see where you are coming from....we could share stories all day long!!
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Why You Loyal Witnesses Should Oppose Disfellowshipping
by metatron inone night you are driving down a dark road.
another car swerves into your lane and hits you head on.
you wake up days later and discover you are paralyzed.
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Mrs. Peck
While I am an inactive Witness for quite some time now, I think there are pros and cons to DFing, like anything else. For one thing, the Witnesses do want to keep the congregation clean, meaning keeping out immoral and otherwise "sinful" behavior. Most churches do not even look at what their members are doing, nor do they seem to care. If you are a person that follows the bible,then such behaviors should not be accepted within a church setting as it is a direct contradiction of what religion is supposed to be about. Most organized religions are more concerned with keeping their members and having a rather large number of them maybe in order to collect more money?? Who knows, but I will say that the JWs do attempt to have standards and some sense of moral value. Disfellowshipping is generally a last resort after a person has demonstrated unrepentance and possibly repeated sinful behavior, as such. On the other hand, yes disfellowshipping does come with some very undesireable effects. It was always hard for me to ignore someone who was DF'd, I felt so bad. It was hard to treat a human being as if they did not exist, thus bearing the question whether or not we have the right to pass judgement on a person as an individual. However with that being said, we do live in a society today that refuses to take responsibility for their actions. It seems that very few people are ever held accountable. I think that maybe a little moral accountability is not such a bad thing.
As far as a DF'd person in need, I think that any decent Witness would not deny that person help, it may even be arranged by the Elder body who may choose to extend assistance for that person's basic needs. That is just human decency. I would help that person regardless. And the guidelines regarding DFing state to not actively associate with that perso, say recreationally. Also, guidelines state not to discuss "spiritual matters" with that person (unless you are an Elder offering encouragement to that person to come back). There is nothing that I have ever heard of that incinuates not to help a person in need, even if DFd. I seriously doubt that Jehovah God would look down upon providing care to those who need it. If anything, I would think that is what being a true Christian is about.
Just my opinion folks!!
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No Sex In the New System - It's Impossible
by mentallyfree31 infyi:.
if you think through the jw belief system, we would have to renounce sexual relations forever to get into the new system.
jw's believe that those coming back in a resurrection will not be married or given in marriage.
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Mrs. Peck
Ummm......I have never heard that and I was a JW for 20 yrs......Why would there be no sex? Many JWs talk of waiting to have children until then....
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Top 10 reasons why JWs don't have the truth - please contribute
by oldlightnewshite ini thought it would be an interesting exercise to ask everybody on here what their 'top 10 reasons why jws don't have the truth' actually were.
maybe we can see some correlating views/patterns/ideas that may help us de-programme the newbies that come on this site.
if eventually most people have an outstanding gripe/concern it'll help everybody understand the ex-jw mindset a little better.
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Mrs. Peck
The Trinity to me is a no brainer......Jesus is God's son, he is not God.....and God gave Jesus the holy spirit.....So....how could they be one? God was not here on earth performing miracles, etc.......Jesus was sent by God, his father! Where on earth do people get the idea that they are all one?? I know my explanation sounds rather elementary but to me it just comes down to common sense.......just my opinion......
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Our Kingdom Ministry 2009 tells sick & infirm NOT to view telephone hook-up as convenient alternative to being “personally present” at KH!
by LUKEWARM ini am feeling sick after reading the question box - it's so cold and unfeeling toward those who use the telephone to listen to congregation meetings.. .
the wts desire to control their weakest members - the infirm and chronically ill - by guilting them into "putting forth the effort to be personally present " at the kingdom hall is disgusting.. .
they are heartless bastards.... ________________________________________.
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Mrs. Peck
Ummm......I don't think that is what they are implying in all fairness, there are always the freeloaders and people who would take advantage of any convenience offered them. Just my opinion........
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Hi again.....formerly Vitameatavegamin
by Mrs. Peck ini haven't posted here in ages, i ended up having to re-register.
so, hi again to all.........alot has happened to me the last few years....went through a divorce, but very happily remarried....also got accepted to nursing school!
life is good...... i am still battling my own demons when it comes to the witnesses........i am very torn at times....i see that this world is getting so much worse, i often wonder if maybe we should all hope for something better in the future......do you think a new world is possible????
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Mrs. Peck
I haven't posted here in ages, I ended up having to re-register. So, hi again to all.........Alot has happened to me the last few years....went through a divorce, but very happily remarried....also got accepted to nursing school! Life is good.....
I am still battling my own demons when it comes to the Witnesses........I am very torn at times....I see that this world is getting so much worse, I often wonder if maybe we should all hope for something better in the future......do you think a new world is possible???? But more importantly, can mankind alone solve the mess the world is in??? I don't know......what do you think?????
Look forward to your comments!
Thanks!!!!
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Should DF'd people talk to other DF'd people??? YOU be the judge...
by slmdf inok all... i was in a store looking for bedroom furniture and in walks this former elder with his new woman - they too are shopping for bedroom furniture.
he got df'd like 5 years ago so he has no idea i'm df'd.
recently, i've been thinking about how, when i got df'd, i would sit in the parking lot of the kh waiting for the meeting to start, and so would other df'd people.
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Mrs. Peck
Oh wait, that is a positive and a negative....nevermind..............
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Should DF'd people talk to other DF'd people??? YOU be the judge...
by slmdf inok all... i was in a store looking for bedroom furniture and in walks this former elder with his new woman - they too are shopping for bedroom furniture.
he got df'd like 5 years ago so he has no idea i'm df'd.
recently, i've been thinking about how, when i got df'd, i would sit in the parking lot of the kh waiting for the meeting to start, and so would other df'd people.
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Mrs. Peck
Sure, why not. 1 disfellowshipped person + 1 disfellowshipped person=hey, don't they cancel each other out??